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#878: How to Start When You're Stuck, Finish What You Begin, and Stop Waiting for Inspiration — Creative Advice from Elizabeth Gilbert, Seth Godin, Joyce Carol Oates, Anne Lamott and More

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Key takeaways

  • Finish what you start: Completing projects is more important than waiting for perfect inspiration.
  • Embrace bad first drafts: Writing badly at first is normal; refinement is part of the process.
  • Create routines and habits: Consistency and systematized routines lead to sustained productivity.
  • Focus on effort over talent: Steady effort and discipline trump innate talent or muse-driven inspiration.
  • Overcome the fear of failure: Just do the work without overthinking, knowing that revisions and improvements follow.
  • Use systemization and small rewards: Setting clear boundaries, time limits, and incentives help build sustainable creative practices.
  • Accept imperfection and revision as natural: Throw out what doesn’t serve your project and trust the process of refinement.

Summary

The Art and Process of Choosing and Completing Writing Projects

Elizabeth Gilbert shares insights on how writers decide what projects to pursue, emphasizing the importance of commitment over mere inspiration. She discusses the false notion of waiting for inspiration, highlighting that progress is made through disciplined work. Gilbert advocates for viewing ideas as proposals from different 'ideas' or 'projects,' using a metaphor of an investor evaluating proposals, to decide which to pursue. She stresses the importance of finishing projects and the dangers of abandoning unfinished work, comparing ideas to 'hot girls at a dance' that should be avoided if they distract from current commitments.

Overcoming the Fear of Bad Writing and Embracing Imperfection

Anne Lamott and Seth Godin delve into the common fear of producing 'bad' work, emphasizing that all first drafts are inherently imperfect and that writing is a process of continually refining. Lamott humorously recounts her 'shitty first drafts' concept and advocates for writing without expecting perfection, which removes the paralysis often caused by fear. Seth Godin echoes this, urging writers to accept their mediocrity and focus on consistent practice, reinforcing that talent and perfect writing are less important than sheer hours of effort. Isaac Asimov’s discipline of daily writing, regardless of quality, is used as an example of how to get through fear and produce consistent work.

The Discipline and Routine of Writing and Revision Strategies

Joyce Carol Oates discusses the necessity of creating the right mood through work itself, arguing that activity breeds inspiration rather than waiting for it. She emphasizes working even when exhausted or lacking motivation, advocating for persistence. Mary Karr shares her revision process, including her experience of throwing out 1,200 pages over several years, demonstrating that rewriting and abandonment are part of crafting quality work. Brandon Sanderson emphasizes building habits, consistency, and setting defined goals, such as word count targets and fixed writing sessions, to maintain productivity and improve craft. Seinfeld’s systematization of writing sessions illustrates the importance of structured routines.

Building Systems and Habits for Creative Success

Jerry Seinfeld introduces his approach to systematizing creativity through structured, time-limited writing sessions, stressing the importance of manageable, set schedules. Brandon Sanderson elaborates on setting specific goals like daily word counts, emphasizing routine, and aligning writing with existing habits. The discussion points to the effectiveness of creating predictable routines and processes to foster consistent productivity over sporadic bursts of effort. Seinfeld’s 'don't break the chain' philosophy exemplifies the power of habit in sustaining creative output.

Learning from Revisions, Mistakes, and Past Work

Mary Karr highlights the importance of rigorous revision, recounting her experience of extensive rewriting—throwing out 1,200 pages—showing that quality emerges through persistent editing. Brandon Sanderson speaks about the importance of not only producing large quantities of work but also revising and refining. Seth Godin reflects on the fear of 'bad' work and how to overcome it using discipline, with inspiration drawn from stories of relentless daily efforts by prolific creators like Isaac Asimov and Malcolm Gladwell. The overall message emphasizes that good writing and creative projects are the result of perseverance, self-awareness, and systematized effort.

The Mindset and Attitude Toward Creativity and Productivity

Seth Godin discusses the importance of shifting from a narrative of failure or inadequacy to one of steady, deliberate effort—'merely doing the work.' He challenges the myth of talent and muse, emphasizing that persistence, small steps, and being audience-aware are key. He further elaborates on how insecurity and perfectionism can be addressed by focusing on the small, manageable tasks instead of being crushed by the broader fears of inadequacy. The overarching theme encourages listeners to adopt a disciplined, process-oriented mindset, reducing the Paralysis caused by fear and self-criticism.

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Show notes

This is a special compilation devoted to a subject very close to my heart and currently consuming a large percentage of my waking hours: writing. Over the years, I’ve asked some of the writers I admire most questions like: How do you choose a project and stay with it? How do you begin when inspiration refuses to show up? How do you build a practice that reliably produces pages? And how do you keep going when you fear your pages are terrible? Listen in to some of my favorite authors answer these and other questions. Please enjoy this special compilation on the craft of writing.

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Timestamps:

00:00 — Introduction

01:52 — Elizabeth Gilbert: Choosing and committing to a project

06:25 — Anne Lamott: Shitty first drafts and taking it bird by bird

13:04 — Joyce Carol Oates: Don’t wait for inspiration

15:47 — Jerry Seinfeld: Building a writing system

26:27 — Mary Karr: Revision and throwing out 1,200 pages

35:08 — Brandon Sanderson: Consistency, word counts, and output

45:04 — Seth Godin: Fear of bad writing

Elizabeth Gilbert is the author of Eat, Pray, Love; Big Magic; and City of Girls. Her ten books have sold more than 25 million copies worldwide.

Anne Lamott is the author of 20 books, including Bird by Bird, Operating Instructions, and Help, Thanks, Wow, and co-author—with her husband Neal Allen—of Good Writing.

Joyce Carol Oates has written more than 70 books, including Blonde and We Were the Mulvaneys, and won the National Book Award for her novel them.

Jerry Seinfeld co-created and starred in the sitcom Seinfeld—which ran nine seasons and won 10 Emmys—and later created Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee and wrote Is This Anything? 

Mary Karr wrote the bestselling memoirs The Liars’ Club, Cherry, and Lit and her book on writing, The Art of Memoir. 

Brandon Sanderson created the Mistborn and Stormlight Archive series, completed Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time, and raised more than $41 million on Kickstarter for four secret novels. 

Seth Godin has written 21 bestsellers published in 40 languages—including Purple Cow, Linchpin, and The Practice—and a daily blog of more than 10,000 posts.

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