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The U.S. Banned Spyware — and Then Kept Trying to Use It

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A little over a decade ago, a small Israeli company created what would become the world’s most powerful and notorious hacking tool.

Mark Mazzetti, who is a Washington investigative correspondent for The Times, explains the surprising story of the NSO Group and why, despite banning its technology, the United States kept trying to use it.

Guest: Mark Mazzetti, a Washington investigative correspondent for The New York Times.

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