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Winning is Fun, with Jane App Co-founder Trevor Johnston

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Key takeaways

  • Jane App was born from a desire to create a better user experience for clinicians, combining web design and software development.
  • A bootstrapped approach leads to more calculated growth and a focus on sustainability rather than rapid scaling.
  • Referrals are essential for growth, with a significant portion of new users coming from recommendations by existing customers.
  • Transitioning from a hands-on builder to a leadership role requires a shift in mindset and how success is measured.
  • Maintaining and evolving a monolith like Rails is challenging, and there's value in finding the right balance between leveraging existing technology and exploring new options.

Summary

The Origins of Jane App

Trevor Johnston shares the story of how Jane App was founded back in 2011. It began when a friend asked for a website for her healthcare practice, which sparked the idea of building an online booking and practice management software. The initial version was built within six weeks and launched with features that were creatively integrated into her clinic's website. Their unexpected success came from other clinics inquiring about the software after seeing it in use, leading Trevor to consider turning the project into a full-fledged business.

Bootstrapped Success and Growth Philosophy

Throughout the podcast, Trevor emphasizes the bootstrapped nature of Jane App, which has led to a unique path compared to the usual venture-capital-fueled startup journey. The company adopted a philosophy of growing responsibly by ensuring they made more money than they spent, which allowed them to focus on quality product-market fit and customer service. This grounded approach resulted in a steady, mathematical growth curve driven by referrals from satisfied users.

Referrals: The Heart of Their Growth Strategy

Trevor discusses the power of referrals in their growth strategy, explaining how about 85% of new customers come from existing customer recommendations. He elaborates on the non-competitive nature of the healthcare practitioners that Jane serves, which fosters collaboration and encourages recommendations. This unique market dynamic has allowed Jane App to thrive through organic growth from dedicated and happy customers.

Learning and Adapting Organizational Structures

The conversation shifts towards the evolution of Jane App's organizational structure. As the team grew beyond Dunbar's number, challenges arose in communication and collaboration. Trevor reflects on the importance of establishing better separation of roles and responsibilities within the organization, particularly regarding product management and engineering, which allowed Jane to scale effectively.

The Transition from Building to Leading

Trevor shares his personal journey about transitioning from a hands-on builder to a leader who influences and guides the team's direction. He reflects on the struggle of finding fulfillment in roles that are less tangible, such as attending long meetings, and how he has learned to define success in his new role by focusing on outcomes and the broader mission of Jane App.

Technological Growth: Beyond Rails

In this segment, Trevor touches on the technical evolution of Jane App, built initially on Ruby on Rails. He acknowledges the inherent challenges and trade-offs of maintaining a Rails monolith as the company grows, but also emphasizes the benefits it has provided in terms of rapid initial development. Looking ahead, he discusses the exploration of new technologies and the importance of diversifying Jane's tech stack as they continue to grow.

Sponsors

  • SteamClock Software · If you're a growing business, and your customers need a really nice mobile app, get in touch with SteamClock.
  • Forestwalk Labs · Forestwalk Labs is mentioned as a supporting sponsor during the podcast.

Show notes

Jane App Co-Founder & Co-CEO Trevor Johnston shares lessons from building a vertical SaaS that now serves hundreds of thousands of clinicians worldwide. We discuss the geometric power of referrals, obsessing over churn, turning your customers into your salespeople, scaling product engineering past Dunbar’s number, transcending a Rails monolith, and finding the fun in 6 hours of Zoom meetings.<ul> <li><a href="https://jane.app">Jane App</a></li> </ul> Have feedback for the show? Send an email or message to Allen any time. It Shipped That Way is supported by Steamclock Software and Powerplant.

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