TSMC Founder Morris Chang

Jan 27, 2025 174m

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We flew to Taiwan to interview TSMC Founder Morris Chang in a rare English interview. In fact, the last long-form video interview we could find was 17 years ago at the Computer History Museum… conducted by the one-and-only Jensen Huang! This episode came about after asking ourselves a version of the Jeff Bezos “regret minimization” question: what conversations would we most regret not having if the chance passed Acquired by? Dr. Chang was number one on our list, and thanks to a little help from Jensen himself, we’re so happy to make it happen.

Dr. Chang shares the stories of a few crucial moments from TSMC’s history which have only been written about in his (currently Chinese-only) memoirs, including how TSMC won Apple’s iPhone and Mac chip business and a 2009 discrepancy with NVIDIA that almost jeopardized their relationship, and the lessons he took from them. We can’t think of a better way to kick off 2025. Please enjoy!

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Introduction to TSMC and Morris Chang

In this episode, Nelson and David introduce the podcast with excitement over their interview with Morris Chang, the founder of TSMC, a pivotal figure in the semiconductor industry. They recount their journey to Taipei to meet him, emphasizing the historical significance of this interview, especially since it has been many years since Dr. Chang participated in a long-form discussion in English.

The Journey and Philosophy of TSMC

Morris Chang shares the foundational stories behind TSMC's establishment and the philosophy that guided its creation. He discusses the challenges posed by integrated device manufacturers (IDMs) and how TSMC positioned itself as a dedicated foundry, avoiding competition with its customers. His unique approach helped establish TSMC as a leader, capitalizing on the 'fabulous' models of the industry that began to emerge. Dr. Chang mentions how TSMC depended on the support of early clients, setting the stage for future collaborations.

Key Relationships and Contracts

The conversation shifts to TSMC's relations with significant clients like Apple and NVIDIA. Dr. Chang recalls an anecdote depicting how TSMC secured the iPhone chip business and some challenges faced with NVIDIA back in 2009. The discussions underscore TSMC's relationship-building approach and the importance of communication and trust between suppliers and customers in the semiconductor industry.

The Impact of the Semiconductor Ecosystem

The podcast highlights the surrounding semiconductor ecosystem within Taiwan—the nearby research universities and the presence of pivotal companies like ARM and Synopsis. David and Ben discuss their visit to this ecosystem, commenting on how geographical proximity benefits the collaboration and communication between these firms, further enhancing TSMC’s competitive advantage.

The Evolution of Moore's Law and TSMC's Strategy

The hosts analyze how Moore's Law has evolved, discussing the increased demand for computing power and how TSMC continually adapts to meet these rising expectations. They touch upon the concept of the learning curve, emphasizing how TSMC’s strategy is crafted to ensure lower production costs through scale and maintaining technological leadership in semiconductor fabrication.

Reflections After the Interview

In the closing segment, David and Ben reflect on the key takeaways from their interview with Morris Chang, examining the invaluable insights gathered regarding the semiconductor industry, leadership principles, and the importance of innovation within TSMC. They appreciate the historical context and Chang's thoughts on the future of technology in the industry.