#195 Rethinking Excellence: How Churches Often Get It Wrong

The podcast begins by challenging the common misconception that excellence in execution directly correlates with effective ministry. Jeremy and Vic emphasize that often churches and leaders focus on flawless event planning or perfect performances, which can overshadow core disciple-making efforts. They stress the importance of redefining what true excellence looks like—centering on serving others well rather than achieving perfection. The conversation highlights that Jesus didn't wait for his disciples to be perfect before empowering them to serve, illustrating that ministry value isn't in perfection but in faithful service and reliance on the Holy Spirit.

A significant part of the discussion revolves around debunking the 'expertise myth'—the idea that excellent leadership is about flawless execution. Both speakers agree that true excellence involves taking what you've been given—your gifts, resources, and opportunities—and stewarding them well while continuously improving. They contrast this with perfectionism, which often stems from vanity and a desire to appear faultless. The conversation underscores that humility is key: leaders should see themselves as coaches rather than star players, empowering others to grow and succeed. Recognizing that the Holy Spirit, not personal charisma or perfection, is at work in transformation is a cornerstone of this perspective.

Jeremy shares his personal journey of learning to develop leaders within his church community. He advocates for setting realistic standards of excellence based on the current resources and stage of development, rather than chasing after unrealistic ideals. The importance of creating safe spaces for emerging leaders to practice and grow is emphasized. The core message is that leadership development and disciple-making happen best when leaders focus on leveraging what they have—whether limited or abundant—rather than waiting for perfection. The conversation underscores that true leadership involves coaching others, trusting God's power, and being willing to risk the 'excellence gap' to foster multiplication.

A compelling point made is the shift from seeing leaders as the primary performers to embracing the role of coaches. Leaders are encouraged to step back from the desire for personal applause and recognition and instead focus on empowering others. The analogy of a star quarterback versus a coach illustrates this mindset—coaches develop multiple players and create team success rather than just personal achievement. Jeremy and Vic emphasize that this perspective aligns with Ephesians 4:13's call to equip the saints for ministry. They warn that maintaining the spotlight on oneself limits growth and multiplication and remind leaders that their primary role is to serve and coach others in their spiritual gifts and callings.