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How we restructured Airtable’s entire org for AI | Howie Liu (co-founder and CEO)

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Key takeaways

  • The viral tweet about Airtable being dead prompted significant internal changes that fueled innovation.
  • CEOs should embrace being ICs again, focusing on product involvement and the nuances of their offerings.
  • Restructuring into fast and slow-thinking teams can help organizations adapt quickly to new technologies like AI.
  • Encouraging play with new technologies fosters a culture of experimentation that drives creative solutions.
  • Cross-functional skills and a hybrid approach in product roles are crucial for navigating the AI landscape.
  • Balancing evaluations with open-ended experimentation can lead to greater innovation.
  • Founders should remain connected to the details of their product and mission to maintain a competitive edge.

Summary

The Journey of Airtable and the Viral Tweet Controversy

Howie Liu, co-founder and CEO of Airtable, discusses the viral tweet claiming "Airtable is dead" based on incorrect data. He reflects on how this tweet went viral, despite not being based on accurate information, and how it, paradoxically, inspired change within Airtable.

Becoming an IC CEO in the AI Era

Howie describes the emerging trend of CEOs becoming Individual Contributors (ICs) again, delving into coding and product development themselves. He shares insights on how this shift helps keep leadership connected to product innovation and the rapid changes in the AI landscape.

The Fast and Slow Thinking Team Structure

Inspired by Daniel Kahneman, Howie explains Airtable's restructuring into 'fast thinking' and 'slow thinking' teams. This approach allows Airtable to rapidly ship new AI features while maintaining the necessary deliberation for more complex initiatives.

The Importance of Experimentation and Play with AI Tools

Howie emphasizes the necessity for teams at Airtable to prioritize experimentation with AI tools. He encourages employees to cancel meetings for periods to explore and play with new AI technologies, fostering a culture of innovation.

Cross-Functional Skills for Success

The podcast highlights the importance of PMs, engineers, and designers developing skills outside their core expertise. Howie stresses that being successful in the AI era requires a hybrid set of skills across these roles to foster collaboration and innovation.

The Role of Evals and Open-Ended Testing

Howie discusses the balance between evaluations and open-ended experimentation. He argues that while evaluations can be useful, they should come after a phase of exploration and play to ensure that true innovation is achieved.

Reflection on Startup Wisdom

In reflecting on the startup journey, Howie shares a counterintuitive lesson: rather than just delegating tasks, founders should remain connected to the details that fueled their initial success. This engagement contributes to reinvention and adaptability in the face of industry changes.

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Show notes

Howie Liu is the co-founder and CEO of Airtable, the no-code platform valued at around $12 billion. After a viral tweet declared “Airtable is dead” based on incorrect data, Howie led a radical transformation: reorganizing the entire company around AI, becoming an “IC CEO” who codes daily, and achieving over $100 million in free cash flow.

What you’ll learn:

1. The “fast thinking” vs. “slow thinking” team structure that lets Airtable ship AI features weekly (inspired by Daniel Kahneman)

2. Why Howie uses AI hourly (not daily) and is Airtable’s #1 inference-cost user globally

3. Why CEOs must become ICs again in the AI era (and how to restructure your calendar to make it possible)

4. Why “playing” with AI tools should be mandatory—Howie tells employees to cancel all meetings for a week to experiment

5. The specific skills product managers, engineers, and designers need to develop to succeed in the AI era

6. Why evals can kill innovation (and when to use “vibes” instead)

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Where to find Howie Liu

• X: https://x.com/howietl

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/howieliu/

• Email: howie@airtable.com

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Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Howie Liu and Airtable

(04:05) The “Airtable is dead” viral tweet controversy

(08:07) The rise of IC CEOs

(10:57) AI’s paradigm shift in product development

(16:27) Specific changes Airtable has made

(21:38) Fast- and slow-thinking teams

(32:57) The emergence of new form factors in AI models

(34:48) Airtable’s vision and philosophy

(40:20) Empowering teams with AI tools

(46:50) Encouraging experimentation and play

(50:55) Cross-functional skills in product teams

(01:03:35) The importance of evals and open-ended testing

(01:08:06) Key strategies for AI-driven success

(01:12:43) Counterintuitive startup wisdom

(01:22:21) Don't step away from the details that you love

(01:25:50) Advice for aspiring engineers and designers

(01:30:00) Lightning round and final thoughts

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Referenced:

• Airtable: https://www.airtable.com/

• All Inpodcast: https://allin.com/

• Nikita Bier on X: https://x.com/nikitabier

• Figma: https://www.figma.com/

• The AI-native startup: 5 products, 7-figure revenue, 100% AI-written code | Dan Shipper (co-founder and CEO of Every): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-every-dan-shipper

• Every: https://every.to/

• Cursor: https://cursor.com/

• The rise of Cursor: The $300M ARR AI tool that engineers can’t stop using | Michael Truell (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-rise-of-cursor-michael-truell

• Windsurf: https://windsurf.com/

• Building a magical AI code editor used by over 1 million developers in four months: The untold story of Windsurf | Varun Mohan (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-untold-story-of-windsurf-varun-mohan

• Rippling: https://www.rippling.com/

• Omni: https://www.airtable.com/lp/ai-psu-plp

• How ChatGPT accidentally became the fastest-growing product in history | Nick Turley (Head of ChatGPT at OpenAI): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-chatgpt-nick-turley

• Palantir: https://www.palantir.com/

• Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/

• v0: https://v0.dev/

• Everyone’s an engineer now: Inside v0’s mission to create a hundred million builders | Guillermo Rauch (founder and CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 and Next.js): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch

• Replit: https://replit.com/

• Behind the product: Replit | Amjad Masad (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/behind-the-product-replit-amjad-masad

• Lovable: https://lovable.dev/

• Building Lovable: $10M ARR in 60 days with 15 people | Anton Osika (CEO and co-founder): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-lovable-anton-osika

• Runway Game Worlds: https://play.runwayml.com/login

• Sesame: https://www.sesame.com

• NotebookLM: https://notebooklm.google

• Salesforce: https://www.salesforce.com

• Andrew Ofstad on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aofstad/

• Stripe: https://stripe.com/

• Eames chair: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eames_Lounge_Chair

• OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/kevin-weil-open-ai

• Anthropic’s CPO on what comes next | Mike Krieger (co-founder of Instagram): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-cpo-heres-what-comes-next

• IDEO design thinking: https://designthinking.ideo.com/

• Brian Chesky’s new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach

• The Studio on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-studio/umc.cmc.7518algxc4lsoobtsx30dqb52

• Silicon Valley on HBOMax: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/silicon-valley/b4583939-e39f-4b5c-822d-5b6cc186172d

• Self Edge: https://www.selfedge.com/

• Studio D’Artisan: https://www.selfedge.com/studio-dartisan

• Whitesville T-shirt: https://store.toyo-enterprise.co.jp/shopbrand/ct48/

• Guest Series | Dr. Paul Conti: How to Understand & Assess Your Mental Health: https://www.hubermanlab.com/episode/guest-series-dr-paul-conti-how-to-understand-and-assess-your-mental-health

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Recommended books:

• Thinking, Fast and Slow: https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555

• The Three-Body Problem: https://www.amazon.com/Three-Body-Problem-Cixin-Liu/dp/0765382032

• Trauma: The Invisible Epidemic: How Trauma Works and How We Can Heal From It: https://us.amazon.com/Trauma-Invisible-Epidemic-Works-Heal/dp/1683647351/

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