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How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want? | Jerry Colonna (CEO of Reboot, executive coach, former VC)

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Key takeaways

  • Engaging in radical self-inquiry enhances self-awareness and unlocks personal agency.
  • Leadership effectiveness stems from a blend of practical skills, self-inquiry, and shared experiences.
  • Busyness often disguises deeper issues; acknowledging this is crucial for genuine self-improvement.
  • Growth mindset can restrict personal development; remain flexible and adaptive in your ambitions.
  • Consciousness of one's legacy can inform daily actions, encouraging a meaningful approach to life.
  • AI tools can support self-inquiry but should not replace the depth of human reflection.
  • Leadership is intertwined with team dynamics; unresolved individual issues can affect overall team performance.

Summary

The Power of Self-Inquiry

In a thought-provoking conversation, Jerry Colonna emphasizes the importance of self-inquiry and reflection. He poses a fundamental question for listeners to explore: "How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want?" This question serves as a catalyst for individuals to acknowledge their agency in their life circumstances and stimulate personal growth.

Radical Self-Inquiry Equation

Colonna shares an equation for leadership success: practical skills + radical self-inquiry + shared experiences = enhanced leadership and resilience. He emphasizes that while practical skills are essential, the real transformation occurs through deep self-understanding and the support found in shared experiences with others.

Busyness and Its Illusions

A key theme in the discussion is the notion that many leaders mask deeper issues of self-worth and anxiety through busyness. Colonna advises listeners to confront their relationship with busyness, acknowledging it as a potential avoidance mechanism. By exploring whether their frantic pace is serving them, listeners can open up to new insights about their worth.

The Complexity of Growth Mindset

Colonna critiques the concept of 'growth mindset,' suggesting that while striving for growth is beneficial, it can morph into a fixed mindset. This restrictive view can limit personal and organizational growth behaviors, highlighting the need for holding goals and ambitions lightly and being adaptive.

The Importance of Legacy

The discussion leads to the significance of legacy in personal life choices. Colonna urges listeners to reflect on what impact they want to leave behind, the kind of ancestor they aspire to be, and the values they want to embody. This drives home the idea of living a meaningful life with intentional choices.

AI and Self-Inquiry

Colonna also addresses the implications of AI on our personal and professional worlds, especially around the art of self-inquiry. He discusses how tools like ChatGPT can facilitate deeper self-discovery by prompting individuals to uncover blind spots, while also cautioning against over-reliance.

Team Dynamics and Leadership

Closing the conversation, Colonna highlights the dynamics within teams, arguing that unresolved personal issues can undermine group performance. Effective leaders must engage in their own self-discovery to cultivate a healthier team environment, thus promoting a culture of authenticity and resilience.

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Show notes

Jerry Colonna is a world-renowned executive coach, a former venture capitalist, and the co-founder and CEO of Reboot, an executive coaching firm that combines practical leadership development with deeper self-inquiry. With over 27 years of coaching experience, he has guided countless leaders through the challenges of scaling companies, building teams, and navigating the emotional complexities of leadership. Known for his radical-self-inquiry approach, Jerry helps leaders uncover the unconscious patterns that hold them back and empowers them to lead with authenticity, compassion, and clarity.

In our conversation, we cover:

1. A powerful question that unlocks self-awareness: “How have I been complicit in creating the conditions I say I don’t want?”

2. Jerry’s foundational equation for leadership success: practical skills + radical self-inquiry + shared experiences = enhanced leadership and resilience

3. Why teams most often fail (hint: it’s not lack of talent or strategy)

4. How busyness often masks deeper issues of self-worth

5. Why a “growth mindset” can be problematic

6. The importance of legacy and what it means to live a meaningful life

7. The role of AI in self-inquiry and how tools like ChatGPT can help uncover blind spots

8. Jerry’s advice for navigating the unsettling rise of AI and its implications for leadership and humanity

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Where to find Jerry Colonna:

• X: https://x.com/jerrycolonna

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-colonna-reboot/

• Website: https://reunion.reboot.io/

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Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Jerry Colonna

(04:12) Jerry’s key question

(06:55) The equation for great leadership

(09:37) The big lie of success and happiness

(12:12) The consciousness hack

(15:56) Getting over the fear of consequences

(20:23) The problem with bypassing our childhood baggage

(23:22) Radical self-inquiry: asking the tough questions

(27:05) Shared experiences: the power of community

(30:25) The trap of busyness and attachment

(40:45) Understanding our own intentions

(46:58) Legacy and purpose

(55:43) Writing for self-discovery

(57:12) The impact of AI on humanity

(01:05:00) Turning a growth mindset into a fixed mindset

(01:11:30) The role of radical self-inquiry in leadership

(01:19:24) Final thoughts and reflections

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Referenced:

• Naropa University: https://www.naropa.edu/

• Fitler Club: https://fitlerclub.com

• Chris Fralic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfralic/

• Will Smith on the price of fame: ‘I have been deeply humbled and deeply inspired’: https://www.today.com/popculture/news/will-smith-fame-rcna127830

• Seth Godin’s best tactics for building remarkable products, strategies, brands, and more: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/seth-godins-tactics-for-building-remarkable-products

• The life of Buddha: https://www.britannica.com/summary/Buddha-founder-of-Buddhism

• 10% Happier with Dan Harris podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-happier-with-dan-harris/id1087147821

• Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/

• Mike Tyson Gives Morbid Response to Young Interviewer’s Question About His “Legacy”: https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/mike-tyson-morbid-response-young-interviewer-legacy-1234944054/

• Dan Shipper’s post on X about asking ChatGPT for blind spots: https://x.com/danshipper/status/1910387987487318318

• Evernote: https://evernote.com/

• Claude: https://claude.ai

• Peter Senge on X: https://x.com/petersenge

• Carl Jung’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/44379-until-you-make-the-unconscious-conscious-it-will-direct-your

• Parker Palmer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parker-j-palmer-5a92b110/

• The unexamined life is not worth living: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_unexamined_life_is_not_worth_living

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Recommended books:

• Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up: https://www.amazon.com/Reboot-Leadership-Art-Growing-Up/dp/0062749536

• Reunion: Leadership and the Longing to Belong: https://www.amazon.com/Reunion-Leadership-Longing-Jerry-Colonna/dp/0063142139

• Born to Run: https://www.amazon.com/Born-Run-Bruce-Springsteen/dp/1501141511

• 10% Happier: How I Tamed the Voice in My Head, Reduced Stress Without Losing My Edge, and Found Self-Help That Actually Works—A True Story: https://www.amazon.com/10-Happier-Self-Help-Actually-Works/dp/0062265431

• Soldiers and Kings: Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling: https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Kings-Survival-World-Smuggling/dp/0593298586

• The Giving Tree: https://www.amazon.com/Giving-Tree-Shel-Silverstein/dp/0060256656/

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Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.

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Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.



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