Why half of product managers are in trouble | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google) · Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth summary

Key takeaways

The skills most valued in product managers are shifting from routine operational tasks to judgment, creativity, and building. PMs need to embrace continuous reinvention and AI tools.
The next two years will be highly chaotic for the industry, with massive layoffs and rehiring, especially for AI-first builders. Staying agile and joyful is crucial.
AI will automate many mechanical, routine parts of product work, but judgment, strategic thinking, and cross-functional influence will become more critical.
Psychological barriers like fear, ego, and resistance to change are significant but can be overcome by finding moments of joy and focusing on future opportunities.
Traditional brand prestige matters less; what matters increasingly is how modern and skilled you are at building and leveraging AI. Long-term strategic 'skip' moves are essential.
Engineers, designers, and other roles will also evolve, with PMs acting more as change agents across industries, leveraging their broad organizational view and judgment.
Despite chaos, there is room for optimism if individuals focus on reinvention, continuous learning, and building joy in their work.

Summary

The Changing Landscape of Product Management

The episode opens with an overview of the seismic shifts occurring in the product management industry, emphasizing that the skills most valued in PMs are evolving rapidly. Nikhyl Singhal highlights that the current environment is highly chaotic, with a lot of uncertainty, layoffs, and company restructuring. Despite the turmoil, there is a renaissance driven by the advent of AI, with many companies shedding staff but simultaneously rehiring AI-first builders. A key challenge and opportunity for PMs is to adapt quickly, increase their pace, and find moments of joy in their work through building and leveraging AI tools.

Current State and Future of Product Roles

Singhal discusses the current state of the job market for PMs, noting that there are more open roles than in recent years, especially for builders who love creating. However, there's a significant divide between builders and non-builders. The industry is shifting towards AI-driven automation, which will obsolesce mechanical aspects of product work and amplify the importance of judgment and decision-making. He predicts that in the next 2 years, most of the mechanical and routine parts of product building will be automated, leading to an explosion of changes and a need for stronger judgment. The role of PMs will evolve, with many moving into broader organizational roles or acting as cross-industry change agents.

Skills and Mindsets for Thriving

Singhal emphasizes the importance of staying current, reinvention, and finding joy—particularly through AI— to thrive amid chaos. He advocates for PMs to obsolete themselves by continuously building with AI, increasing their pace, and removing non-value-adding responsibilities. The psychological barriers to change, like fear and ego, need to be overcome, and a long-term, resilient mindset is critical. Finding moments of joy in building and experimentation is essential to combat burnout and maintain relevance.

The Role of Engineers, Designers, and Other Professions in the Future

The episode explores how engineers will become more aligned with PMs, focusing on systems thinking, judgment, and automation. Designers, traditionally taste-makers, may face challenges as AI automates many design tasks, but their taste and perspective remain valuable. The discussion also touches on the decline of traditional design roles and the need for all roles to adapt and incorporate AI to stay relevant. The importance of cross-functional agility and the blurring of role boundaries are emphasized.

Psychological and Cultural Barriers to Change and Optimism

Singhal reflects on the mental blocks inherent in humans regarding change, especially in mid-career, where there is often resistance to reinvent oneself. He urges listeners to find their 'threshold'—the point where they embrace reinvention and joy—and to accept that chaos is temporary and will settle into a new normal. He shares that the industry is experiencing a phase of 'smiling exhaustion,' but with effort, positivity, and a focus on building and joy, the overall outlook remains optimistic.

Practical Advice and Industry Predictions

The episode concludes with actionable advice for PMs: to increase their pace, be ego-less, focus on long-term strategic moves or 'skips,' and embrace ongoing reinvention. Singhal predicts that within the next five years, many jobs will radically change, with PMs becoming more ubiquitous across industries as change agents, and roles specializing in operational judgment and system building. He stresses that AI enables PMs to be more impactful and joyful, provided they adapt and stay current.

Show notes

Nikhyl Singhal is the founder of The Skip, a community for senior product leaders; a former product exec at Meta, Google, and Credit Karma; and a many-time founder. He’s also one of the most honest, unfiltered voices on what’s actually happening in product management right now.

In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:

1. Why the next two years will be the most chaotic period in product management history

2. Why half of current product managers are at risk, and what separates those who’ll do well

3. Why you need to find your “moments of joy” with AI

4. The “smiling exhaustion” he’s seeing across the product community

5. The psychological barriers that prevent people from reinventing themselves

6. Why your resume’s fancy logos matter less than ever, and what matters now

7. His prediction that companies will shed 30,000 people and rehire 8,000—all AI-first

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Where to find Nikhyl Singhal:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhyl

• X: https://x.com/nikhyl

• Podcast & Newsletter: https://skip.show

• Skip Community: https://skip.community

• Skip Coach: https://skip.coach

• Skip.help: https://skip.help

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In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Nikhyl Singhal

(02:25) The big picture: what’s changing for product managers

(10:00) Are product leaders doing better than 2-3 years ago?

(11:44) What will change in the next couple of years

(14:23) How companies are changing the way they build products

(15:51) What “judgment” really means for PMs

(17:46) Why there won’t be any more bad software

(20:25) The skills you need to be effective today

(23:31) Why there are more PM roles than ever

(24:27) The builder versus information-mover divide

(30:14) The non-builder problem

(30:53) Should PMs code?

(34:15) Why experienced leaders still matter

(35:44) The diversity setback nobody’s talking about

(37:21) Why your brand doesn’t matter as much anymore

(39:54) How valued skills are flipping upside down

(40:49) Why change is so hard for humans

(43:53) The “equal disappointment” algorithm

(46:39) You must cross the threshold

(48:37) This chaos will settle

(53:19) Finding your moment of joy

(58:50) Nikhyl’s AI stack and what he’s building

(1:00:53) The obsolescence mindset

(1:05:24) Specific advice for PMs right now

(1:08:58) The four jobs that will exist in the future

(1:11:59) Why alignment is changing (but not disappearing)

(1:15:40) How engineering is changing even more than PM

(1:17:04) The surprising design plateau

(1:18:49) Finding optimism in the chaos

(1:21:12) Lightning round

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Referenced:

• Building a long and meaningful career | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-long-and-meaningful-career

• COBOL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL

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• Head of Growth (Anthropic): “Claude is growing itself at this point” | Amol Avasare: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/anthropics-1b-to-19b-growth-run

• Demis Hassabis on X: https://x.com/demishassabis

• Sam Altman on X: https://x.com/sama

• Dario Amodei on X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei

• Cross on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Season-1/dp/B0D6X7ZZHC

• Jack Ryan on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Jack-Ryan/dp/B0CNDCMN8R

• 24 on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/24-Season-1/dp/B000HPF85A

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• Lovable: https://lovable.dev

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• Paradise on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/paradise-2b4b8988-50c9-4097-bf93-bc34a99a5b4f

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• Tesla: https://www.tesla.com

• Albert Einstein’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/115696-genius-is-1-talent-and-99-percent-hard-work

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Recommended books:

• James: https://www.amazon.com/James-Novel-Percival-Everett/dp/0385550367

• The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn: https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Huckleberry-Finn-Unabridged-Uncensored/dp/195483943X

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Why half of product managers are in trouble | Nikhyl Singhal (Meta, Google)