TIP731: Owning Best-in-Class Businesses w/ Joseph Shaposhnik
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Key takeaways
- Rainwater Equity ETF focuses on investing in publicly listed recurring revenue businesses to achieve higher-than-average capital growth.
- Joseph's insights from Peter Lynch emphasize the importance of thorough market engagement and understanding company fundamentals.
- The active management industry has significant systemic issues due to managers' focus on short-term benchmarks rather than the long-term quality of investments.
- Recurring revenue models provide predictable cash flows and resilience against market swings, making them attractive for investors.
- Valuation should not overshadow the quality of a business and the effectiveness of its management in Joseph's investment strategy.
- The aerospace aftermarket industry presents significant opportunities for predictable revenue and less sensitivity to market volatility.
- Managing an ETF provides significant tax advantages and allows for a more efficient allocation of capital compared to mutual funds.
Summary
Introduction to Rainwater Equity ETF
In this episode, Clay Fink interviews Joseph Shaposhnik about the launch of his new ETF, the Rainwater Equity, which launched on June 18, 2025, under the ticker RW. The focus of the fund is to compound capital through investing in publicly listed recurring revenue businesses. It's noted that Joseph's previous fund had an impressive compounding rate of 16.7% since 2015, surpassing the S&P 500's 13.1%. Key discussions revolve around Joseph's experiences and insights from his time spent with investment legends like Peter Lynch and Bill Miller, and the strategies he believes will enable the ETF to succeed in a challenging market.
Lessons from Peter Lynch
Joseph shares invaluable insights he gained from spending time with Peter Lynch, noting Lynch's deep engagement with the market and his unique ability to balance growth and value investment strategies. Joseph recounts how Lynch emphasizes investment in small caps and has a keen interest in companies with strong management and potential for significant returns due to low switching costs in their products. This experience reinforced many of Joseph's investment principles, including the significance of understanding company fundamentals and the importance of management in achieving successful outcomes.
The Challenges of Active Management
During the episode, Joseph addresses what he sees as systemic issues within the active management industry, highlighting a high failure rate of mutual funds to outperform benchmarks due to an unhealthy obsession with them. He advocates for a new approach that focuses on the quality of businesses rather than merely relative performance to benchmarks. This approach is aimed at empowering investors and enhancing their confidence in performance, which he believes is critical for successful fund management.
Recurring Revenue: The Ultimate Business Model
A significant theme of the podcast is Joseph's assertion that recurring revenue is the ultimate business model, providing businesses with steady cash flows, increased predictability, and resilience in economic downturns. He provides examples of industries that exemplify this business model, such as waste management, stock exchanges, and subscription-based software companies, discussing how they deliver consistent revenues that benefit both operations and investment performance.
Valuation and Investment Framework
Valuation plays an important role in Joseph’s investment strategy, but he argues that it is often overemphasized in traditional investing. Instead, he stresses the importance of focusing on the business model, the quality of management, and the durability of cash flows. He discusses how his approach considers the long-term growth potential of companies while ensuring a fair entry price, allowing for significant compounding.
The Aerospace Aftermarket Industry
Joseph reveals his interest in the aerospace aftermarket industry, emphasizing its potential for durability and revenue predictability. He highlights how companies in this space often benefit from high switching costs and predictable revenue that stems from the need for continuous parts replacement and maintenance in aviation. This aspect ties back to Joseph's overarching strategy of investing in businesses that can sustain revenue regardless of broader market volatility.
ETF vs. Mutual Fund Management
Joseph contrasts the operations of managing an ETF as opposed to a mutual fund, noting that the ETF structure allows for greater tax efficiency and flexibility regarding capital gains. He highlights that the ETF's design affords a fresh start for investors, enabling better long-term hold strategies compared to traditional mutual funds. He expresses his commitment to this single fund strategy to keep focused and optimized for performance.
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Show notes
On today’s episode, Clay is joined by Joseph Shaposhnik to discuss the launch of his new ETF, Rainwater Equity. The Rainwater Equity ETF just launched on June 18th, 2025, under the ticker RW, and its objective is to compound capital at an above-average rate by investing in publicly listed recurring revenue businesses.
The fund Joseph managed at his previous firm compounded at 16.7% since 2015, versus the S&P 500’s 13.1% over that same time period. It was also the top-performing fund out of 343 in its US Large Cap Core Equity category by Nasdaq eVestment.
IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:
00:00 - Intro
02:39 - Joseph’s lessons from spending a day with Peter Lynch.
12:09 - Why the active management industry is broken and how Joseph has set out to fix it.
22:12 - Why Bill Miller invested in Joseph’s new ETF.
28:25 - Why recurring revenue is the ultimate business model.
40:11 - Whether any of the Magnificent 7 companies fit into Joseph’s recurring revenue framework.
46:35 - The role that valuation plays in Joseph’s quality investing framework.
55:30 - Joseph’s top stock pick to hold for the next 20 years.
01:03:00 - Why Joseph is attracted to the aerospace aftermarket industry.
01:08:09 - Why Joseph chose the ETF structure over the mutual fund.
01:10:53 - How Joseph determined the appropriate position sizing for his fund.
And so much more!
Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.
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