Lessons From Backing The Best Founders In Fintech | Micky Malka
· Summarized
Key takeaways
- Success in long-term ventures relies on patience, trust, and reputation, which are invaluable assets in business and life.
- Writing ideas in detail helps clarify and solidify long-term conviction, essential for navigating volatile markets.
- The future of money and information will be driven by tokens, AI, and blockchain technologies, enabling autonomous and personalized services.
- Playing the infinite game—focusing on continuous improvement and relationships—is more sustainable and fulfilling than short-term wins.
- Authenticity, beauty, and taste are vital in technology products and art, and those who prioritize these will stand out.
- Building enduring companies requires deep relationships, authenticity, and the willingness to stay in the game for decades.
- Rebels and innovators challenge norms and pursue authenticity, leading to breakthroughs in art, business, and technology.
Summary
Refusal to Label and Embracing the Infinite Game
Micky Malka discusses his aversion to labels, rooted in his upbringing in Venezuela where labels were not used to define individuals. He emphasizes the importance of fluidity and continuous growth, describing himself as an entrepreneur at heart and an investor by design to allow maximum adaptability. He advocates for playing the long-term, infinite game—prioritizing trust, reputation, and consistent improvement over short-term wins. Malka highlights that the key to success in any venture is maintaining conviction and a long-term perspective, seeing setbacks as part of the journey rather than failures.
Learning from Buffett and Writing for Conviction
Malka shares his deep admiration for Warren Buffett, having invested in Berkshire Hathaway from a young age and diligently studying Buffett’s shareholder letters and decision patterns. He emphasizes that reading and articulating complex ideas in writing enables clearer thinking, conviction, and better decision-making. Elaborating on the process, he explains that developing theses or ideas can take a year or more, during which feedback and refinement solidify long-term strategies. This disciplined reflection underscores his approach to investing and entrepreneurship—focused on clarity and conviction.
Token Factories, AI, and the Future of Money and Information
Malka explores the evolution of tokens as machine-readable information and their applications in modern industries like AI and finance. He predicts a future where tokens become foundational to personalized, AI-driven services such as banking, payments, and asset management. He discusses how blockchain and AI will intersect to create intelligent contracts and autonomous agents that manage financial lives seamlessly. Malka underscores that money flows constantly and is underexplored in AI integration, but the coming years will see significant advancements, driven by startups and established companies.
Playing the Infinite Long Game in Business and Life
Malka reflects on the importance of patience, time, and trust in building enduring success. He recounts his experiences with Lemon Bank and other ventures, illustrating that long-term persistence and reputation are critical assets. He advocates for focusing on consistency and relationships, rather than on short-term wins. The mindset of playing the infinite game—accepting that one never truly wins or loses but remains ahead or behind—guides his decision-making and life philosophy, emphasizing ongoing self-improvement and resilience.
Rebellion, Authenticity, and Art as a Reflection of Innovation
Malka describes himself as a rebel, emphasizing that questioning the status quo and continuously seeking better ways define his approach. He discusses his ventures into digital art through Node, aiming to make digital art accessible and authentic, empowering artists to show their work without traditional gatekeeping. The discussion highlights that rebels thrive on authenticity, and the most successful founders are those who stay true to their mission and values. Malka stresses the importance of building beautiful, meaningful products and experiences that evoke emotion and authenticity in a world dominated by efficiency and scale.
Building Companies and Relationships with a Long-Term View
Malka emphasizes that his ventures, such as Lemon Bank and OnePay, are part of a long-term, infinite game aiming for sustainability. He discusses the importance of patience, trust, and reputation, which are the most valuable assets in business. His approach involves deep relationship-building with founders and partners—spending years cultivating trust and understanding their DNA—believing that enduring success stems from long-term relationships and consistent value creation. He also mentions that many modern entrepreneurs and younger generations are driven by different motivations, often wanting to build tangible, meaningful products and challenge traditional norms.
The Power of Repetition, Trust, and Living the Infinite Game
Malka shares insights from studying legendary founders and investors like Charlie Munger, highlighting that patience, repetition, and long-term commitment are crucial. He illustrates this through his own journey—starting with Lemon Bank, facing near ruin, and eventually building influential companies. He underscores that reputation and trust are assets that endure beyond short-term profits, enabling ongoing opportunities and partnerships. The narrative advocates for playing the long game—focused on consistent effort, integrity, and learning—rather than chasing immediate wins.
Sponsors
- Ramp · Ramp helps many of the most innovative businesses in the world cut their expenses by 5% and grow their revenue by 16%, giving businesses a competitive advantage. They are designed to make finance teams faster and happier. Many top founders and CEOs—including the host—run their businesses on Ramp. Learn more at ramp.com.
- Deel · Deel helps your business hire, pay, and manage workers globally, ensuring you can retain top talent anywhere. Trusted by over 40,000 businesses, Deel is building the infrastructure for global hiring.
- AppLovin · AppLovin connects you with over a billion potential new customers through engaging full-screen video ads. It allows you to launch quickly, scale, and see immediate results in increased revenue and customer acquisition. Start now at applovin.com.
Show notes
Micky Malka is the founder of Ribbit Capital and helped create Node, which he describes as the first digital art studio designed for digital artists. He calls himself “an entrepreneur at heart and an investor by design”—a deliberately broad description that allows him to resist labels, which is precisely the point. The one label he wants on his tombstone: “He was a rebel.”
In his mid-20s, Malka and his partners put all the proceeds from their first dot-com exit into starting Lemon Bank in Brazil. He says they nearly lost everything when the economy failed to take off. At its peak Lemon Bank operated roughly 7,000 locations and served 50 million customers while targeting Brazil’s large unbanked population. He later sold it to Brazil’s largest bank.
Years later, after meeting Walmart CEO Doug McMillon in 2019, Malka proposed that Walmart and Ribbit build a better financial-services business together. That effort became OnePay, which now provides payments, debit, credit and lending products across Walmart’s ecosystem.
At Ribbit, decisions are made as a group, no single partner is assigned to a company, and the team shares calendars, inboxes and emails. Malka confirms that Ribbit is his sixth company and says he intends to keep building it indefinitely. As he puts it, “The best entrepreneurs never have to sell their company.”
Show notes: https://www.davidsenra.com/episode/micky-malka
Made possible by
Ramp: https://ramp.com
Deel: https://deel.com/senra
AppLovin: https://applovin.com/senra
Chapters
(00:00:00) Why Micky Malka Refuses to Be Labeled
(00:03:00) Writing Your Way to Conviction
(00:05:41) Buying Berkshire at 13 and Learning Buffett's Operating System
(00:11:48) Token Factories, AI Bankers, and the Future of Money
(00:18:38) The Infinite Game: Why It's Better to Be Behind
(00:22:09) Gen Z Founders and the Chaordic Company
(00:29:00) Why Young Founders Want to Build Atoms, Not Just Bits
(00:34:29) Bringing Beauty and Taste Back to Technology
(00:36:56) Revolut, Founder DNA, and Earning Deep Trust
(00:45:54) Building OnePay With Walmart
(00:50:53) From Lemon Bank to OnePay: A 20-Year Idea
(00:56:00) Compounding Trust and Protecting Your Reputation
(01:00:30) Node and the Rebel Case for Digital Art
(01:07:34) What It Means to Live as a Rebel
(01:10:50) Why Ribbit Is Built Like a Startup
(01:14:41) Charlie Munger and the Power of Time
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Follow this show on AudioBrevity and new episodes get summarized for you. Create a free account