My First Million

Howard Marks: how I make money while you worry about a market crash

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Key takeaways

  • Actively update your views with new information instead of holding onto outdated beliefs.
  • AI has unique qualities like autonomy and unpredictability, but it still lacks true judgment and insight.
  • Successful investing requires acting despite fear and uncertainty, especially in crises.
  • Long-term partnerships in business and life depend on shared values, mutual respect, and humility.
  • Humility and acknowledgment of uncertainty improve decision-making and risk assessment.
  • Building enduring relationships, whether with partners, mentors, or family, is rooted in respect, appreciation, and shared vision.
  • Understanding market cycles, behavioral biases, and randomness can help manage expectations and avoid overconfidence.

Summary

Howard Marks on Changing Perspectives on AI

Howard Marks discusses his evolving views on artificial intelligence, emphasizing the importance of updating opinions with new information. Initially skeptical about AI’s potential, he describes how his son, a VC working with AI, prompted him to revisit his stance. Marks highlights AI’s unique qualities like autonomy and unpredictability, noting how it can now perform complex tasks such as conversation, humor, and personalized context understanding. Despite its promise, he expresses cautious optimism, acknowledging the risks of overconfidence and talking about AI’s limited capacity for true insight, judgment, and understanding of novel situations.

Decision-Making in Uncertainty and Crisis

Marks recounts his experience during the 2008 financial crisis, stressing the importance of acting despite fear and uncertainty. He shares how he and his team made bold investment decisions during Lehman Brothers’ collapse, betting on bargains amidst chaos. Marks emphasizes that successful investing often involves accepting trepidation and acting in anticipation of future needs, such as building an investment 'arc' before a crisis hits, drawing a metaphor from Noah’s Ark. He talks about the importance of humble, probabilistic thinking and recognizing the limits of prediction, especially in unpredictable, unprecedented events.

Long-Term Partnerships and Relationships

Marks reflects on his 39-year partnership with Bruce Karsh, highlighting mutual respect, shared values, and complementary skills as the foundation of their success. He emphasizes the importance of trust, humility, and appreciation, noting that successful long-term collaborations are built on these principles. He recounts interactions with Warren Buffett, illustrating Buffett’s humility, love for Charlie Munger, and the humor that characterizes their relationship. Marks underscores the value of enduring partnerships in investing and life, emphasizing patience, respect, and synergy.

The Role of Humility and Self-Awareness in Success

Marks discusses his personal journey toward humility, acknowledging past mistakes and the importance of recognizing uncertainty. He advocates for language that recognizes fallibility, such as starting memos with 'I could be wrong,' and warns against overconfidence. He shares insights on decision-making, the influence of luck, and how humility allows better risk assessment. Marks also touches on the importance of parents supporting children's independence and making intentional life choices, drawing parallels between personal relationships and investing.

Insights on Warren Buffett and Investment Philosophy

Marks shares his experiences with Warren Buffett, emphasizing Buffett’s genuine personality, deep love for Charlie Munger, and strategic thinking. He describes Buffett’s partnership approach, notably Charlie’s role as a logic checker and Buffett’s focus on buying excellent companies at good prices. Marks illustrates Buffett’s humility, humor, and the importance of shared values and mutual respect. An anecdote about Buffett’s off-balance sheet investments and personal kindness highlights Buffett’s character, reinforcing the themes of partnership, humility, and value-driven investing.

Recommended Reading and Lessons in Psychology and Economics

Marks recommends two influential books: 'A Short History of Financial Euphoria' by John Kenneth Galbraith and 'Fooled by Randomness' by Nassim Nicholas Taleb. He emphasizes understanding market cycles, behavioral biases, and the role of luck and randomness in investing. These readings reinforced his probabilistic approach to decision-making and humility regarding overconfidence and certainty in market predictions.

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Show notes

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Episode 841: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talk to legendary investor Howard Marks about AI and making decisions in the face of fear and uncertainty. 

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Show Notes:

(0:00) AI Hurtles Ahead

(8:26) second level thinking

(10:21) investing through the end of the world

(14:47) raising $11B at a time of crisis

(17:54) investing with fear

(20:22) the key to a successful partnership

(25:01) being a good father

(27:37) only 1 success: to live your life your way

(34:17) Having lunch with Warren Buffett

(37:18) What people don't know about Buffett

(39:37) cigar butt investing

(41:35) recommended reading

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Links:

• AI Hurtles Ahead - https://www.oaktreecapital.com/insights/memo/ai-hurtles-ahead 

• A Short History of Financial Euphoria - https://www.amazon.com/History-Financial-Euphoria-Penguin-Business/dp/0140238565 

• Fooled by Randomness - https://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Randomness-Hidden-Markets-Incerto/dp/0812975219 

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