The Lazarus Heist - S1.1 Hacking Hollywood

S1.1 Hacking Hollywood

Apr 18, 2021 - 33m 51s

A movie, Kim Jong-un and a devastating cyber attack. The story of the Sony hack. How the Lazarus Group hackers caused mayhem in Hollywood and for Sony Pictures Entertainment. And this is just the beginning… #LazarusHeist

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Behind the Silver Screen: The Hollywood Illusion

The podcast opens with a surprising revelation that many famous films attributed to Hollywood were actually shot in Culver City, Los Angeles, specifically on the historic MGM film lot, now part of Sony Pictures Entertainment. The vibrant imagery of the lot is painted as a place of magic, showcasing movie-themed attractions and sets where employees like Selena Shavanette navigate the mundane tasks of office life amidst the glitz. The atmosphere transforms when a malfunction with security badges leads to the unraveling of a more alarming crisis.

A Cyber Assault: The Sony Hack

On November 24, 2014, the technology at Sony Pictures begins to fail, with employees experiencing malfunctioning badges and computers. A mysterious email from an entity identifying as 'Frank David' heralds a major security breach. As the company faces a cyber attack from the notorious Lazarus Group, chaos ensues, ultimately culminating in the hacking of Sony's internal data, exposing sensitive information including salary details, confidential emails, and unreleased films.

The Unlikely Hackers: Meet the Lazarus Group

The vulnerabilities of Sony Pictures become evident as the podcast delves into the nature of the hackers behind the scenes—the Lazarus Group. Identified as a North Korean cybercrime ring, they launch unprecedented attacks not just against Sony but also eye massive bank heists. The podcast raises the question of how such a nation, with limited internet access, could develop a formidable cyber warfare capability.

From Film to Fury: The Controversial 'The Interview'

The story transitions into the film 'The Interview,' starring Seth Rogen and James Franco, which humorously explores the assassination of Kim Jong-un. The initial excitement turns into grave concerns as the subject matter raises tensions between Hollywood and North Korea. As the film progresses towards its release, threats emerge from North Korea, claiming that the film's content represents an act of war, further complicating the situation.

Security and Consequences Post-Hack

The podcast details the fallout from the Sony hack, where sensitive data is released to the public and threatens the livelihood of many Hollywood executives. The dichotomy between the potential success of 'The Interview' and the looming threats results in heightened security concerns for the film's premiere. The episode culminates in a reflection on the impact of the hack on the industry and the broader implications for media and national security.

- The Sony hack was not just a simple cybercrime but a significant event that altered the landscape of cybersecurity for corporations.
- The Lazarus Group, identified as a North Korean hacking organization, showcases the rise of state-sponsored cyber warfare.
- Hollywood's intersection with international politics can lead to unexpected and dangerous consequences, as illustrated by the fallout from 'The Interview'.
- The chaos of the Sony hack demonstrates the vulnerability of even the most robust organizations to digital threats.
- The perception of filmmakers and journalists in politically delicate situations, such as North Korea, can dramatically affect safety and operations.

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You know all those movies you thought were made in Hollywood?

Gone with the wind, the matrix, Ben Hur?

Well, they weren't filmed in Hollywood at all.

They were actually shot across town in an area of Los Angeles County called Culver City.

That's where you'll find the old MGM film lot.

This place is huge and it's legendary and there are these two white arched gates at the front Step through them and you're in fancy land The first thing you see is this massive rainbow sculptor it's an homage to one of my favorite movies the Wizard of Oz And all around you are these mammoth billboards showcasing upcoming movie releases and also these towering facades that are painted like shops a dry cleaner, a bowling alley, a movie marquee.

You can go on a public tour of the place, and they still make TV programs on the lot, so there's always a chance of glimpsing a star or two as you mooch around.

And there are movie themed rides to go on as well.

But away from the glitz, the MGM lot is a workplace like any other.

It's the HQ of Sony Pictures Entertainment.

Behind the buzz of the sound stages and celebs, hundreds of Sony's employees keep the place ticking.

Among them, Selena Shavanette, how to describe me, the super awesome person all the time.

Selena's in a glamorous workplace, yes, but her job's kind of mundane.

It sounds fancy being in Hollywood, but it's really just being in a cubicle, working on the computer.

So yeah, it's a lot of computer work and spreadsheets.

But the perks are pretty sweet.

Like on your breaks or lunchtime, you get to go walk around and like you could see sets and productions.

I'm very social, so I would walk around and talk to everybody and then try to get on the set.

Like, I got a tour of the Jeopardy set.

And I got in trouble a bunch of times hanging out at the shark where Jaws is on the ride.

I'll go places until people tell me no.

Then on Monday the 24th of November 2014, something strange happens.

It was weird to try and get into the office because I was like, I can't scan my badge to get in.

It doesn't seem like a big deal at first.

a security badge suddenly stops working so she has to get signed in by the security guards.

But that broken badge turns into a big headache.

They networked everything.

Your badge was basically your key to get anywhere.

So you had to scan your badge driving in the lot.

You had to scan it to get into the building, scan it to get into the rooms.

And so I was like, oh, well, this is interesting.

And it isn't just Salinas badge.

It's everyone's.

And it's not just the doors that are out of action.

Something is going haywire with the technology at the heart of Sony's giant global entertainment operation.

No computers were on.

Everybody that was in the office was just kind of talking to each other, trying to figure out what was going on, waiting for like Xerox people to come in and take off the network for the copy machines.

So that you could photocopy things?

Yeah, these facts stuff.

We went analog style.

So you couldn't even fax or photocopy anything.

Even that fairly low-tech thing was off-limits.

Yeah, because they just, like, a couple of weeks before they just networked all of the bruners and the copy machines and we couldn't do it.

Those broken printers are just a hint of the damage that's about to unfold.

So Lee's employer is now the target of a meticulously planned digital assault and it's got one aim.

Annihilate Sony Pictures Entertainment.

A few days before Selina's past stopped working, senior executives at Sony had received a very strange email from someone calling himself Frank David.

And that email said, We know us very well.

We never wait long.

You'll better behave wisely.

Right, so you've got vague threats issued in dodgy English.

That sounds like classic spam email, doesn't it?

But the message is real.

Someone is about to do Sony very great damage indeed.

A virus is sweeping through the company's network, disabling computer after computer.

Three days later, when Sony employees log into their machines, things get a bit bizarre.

One by one, a horror film image of a blood-red skeleton with fangs and glaring eyes takes over their screens, an image that's as cheesy as it is threatening.

And if that isn't scary enough, there are sound effects to go with it.

Superimposed over the skeleton on screen is an ominous message that reads, We've obtained all your internal data, including your secrets and top secrets.

If you don't obey us, we'll release data shown below to the world.

The data consists of five links, and if you click on them, you get lists of folders containing incredibly sensitive information.

We're talking executive salaries, confidential internal emails, insider gossip.

It's the kind of embarrassing dirty laundry that no company wants out there.

There are also details of as-yet-unreleased films, and whoever sent the message is threatening to leak them.

The skeleton graphics, the over-the-top sound effects, this looks like some kind of prank from a horror movie, but the attack is deadly serious.

It's the opening salvo in a battle to destroy Sony Pictures.

And by the end, half of its global digital network will be wiped out.

Some of the most powerful players in Hollywood will lose their jobs, and the digital break-in will spark an international incident.

The hacking gang behind the attack are one of the most dangerous in the world.

They've earned themselves a nickname, the Lazarus Group.

They're named after the biblical figure who is brought back from the dead.

And once Lazarus Group gets inside their victims' computers, it's very hard to kill them off.

Sony is just a star for them.

They'll go on to stage one of the most audacious cyber crimes the world has ever seen, a bank heist targeting $1 billion.

These attackers have no fear.

How in the world did this happen?

No one in the right mind, no cyber criminal had tried to transfer $1 billion from a bank.

A terrifying incident, probably one of the most terrifying that I've ever seen.

It was astounding.

From the BBC World Service, this is The Lazarus Heist, I'm Jeff White, and I'm Gene Lee.

I've been investigating cybercrime for more than a decade, and in my world, the Lazarus Group are kind of legendary.

It's not just Sony.

They've been breaking in all over the world in all sorts of places, banks, TV stations, even hospitals.

The dangerous, because as though unpredictable, you never know where they'll strike next, and they don't seem to care about getting found out.

There are lots of cybercrime gangs, of course there are, but according to investigators, the Lazarus group is different.

They're working for a nation-state, North Korea.

And that doesn't seem to make any sense, right?

This is a tiny, desperately poor country where most people can't even access the internet.

So the question I heard was, how come this place of all countries has become a computer hacking superpower?

How do they operate?

And what's driving them?

And that's where Gene comes in.

I'm not a cyber expert, but I know North Korea.

So I started reporting there in 2008, and I was the first American journalist to open a news bureau in Pyongyang.

And in my years there, I saw a huge change.

I saw the new leader Kim Jong-un making big new investments in science and technology.

Computers, mobile phones.

Now Kim claims he's just trying to modernize North Korea for his country's economic survival.

But reporting on North Korea often means trying to get past the propaganda and sometimes there are sinister, more dangerous motives.

Kim is training a new generation of cyber warriors.

These are young computer wizards who can hack into places that are supposed to be secure.

And wanted to know what they were up to and why.

Episode 1.

Hacking Hollywood.

Who would be right to play me?

That's a good question.

You need to have like a somewhat classic neurotic sort of a bald and guy.

I'd love somebody like 20 pounds better than me.

That's Dan Sterling.

He's a screenwriter and he's worked on some of the most provocative comedies around from South Park to the Daily Show.

I come from a long line of feather ruffling writers and activists.

The things that most interest me are things that are political in nature and it's only fun if it's provocative.

Dan had been working with writer-actor Seth Rogen and writer-producer Evan Goldberg, who between them were behind a string of comedies like Noctop and Sausage Party.

So not exactly high-brow stuff, right, but very successful and back in the late 2000s.

South and Evan came to me with this very rudimentary idea.

The log line was, what if, and this was when Osama bin Laden, I think, was still alive.

They said, you know, what if you were a journalist and you got an interview with Osama bin Laden?

Would you kill him during the interview?

Dan really likes the idea, but he's aware there's already a comedy and development featuring a Middle Eastern leader called the dictator starring Sasha Baron Cohen.

So I started kicking around for ideas like well alright if it's not Bin Laden you know who is epic enough That will make it feel world stakes level enough and then I had a drink with a friend He's like oh, it's got to be North Korea and I was like oh, yes, of course it does and that one tiny decision changed everything At first Dan says it hadn't occurred to him to use the North Korean leader's real name I just made up a name that sounded like his and it was obviously a stand-in for him, but it wasn't until much later that I was sitting in a trailer with Seth and Evan and some executives and they said, we just want to try this, what would happen if you changed it out from your fictitious name to Kim Jong-un.

And as soon as they said it, I thought, of course, that is so much edgier.

It's just much more provocative and much more titillating to take a swat at the real person.

And why not?

I mean, it did not seem very controversial at the time to mock one of the world's most dastardly living people.

And it was only very shortly before we started shooting that the studio suggested, you know what?

Let's not do that.

That might be a bit to provocative.

But at that point, Seth and Evan and I were all pretty invested, and Seth and Evan are pretty powerful guys, and they push back.

And soon enough, the actor Randall Park is chosen to play the role of Kim Jong-un.

He is the real-life millennial leader of North Korea, who came to power in December 2011.

He interpreted Kim Jong-un as this insecure, bashful guy who, you know, is very vulnerable and is very sort of awestruck by American celebrities.

Hey! So you really like the show?

No, I might not show it, but I'm freaking out.

You're like a super fan.

I really am.

Yeah! That's so cool.

Don't say something stupid, Kim.

The plot takes shape.

The main characters are a TV host played by James Franco and his producer played by Seth Rogen.

They discover that Kim Jong-un is a fan of their show and that's how they manage to secure an interview with him.

And then suddenly they're on the world stage, hyping up this big, you know, one-on-one interview, the first interview with the leader of North Korea.

But as they're preparing for it, they're approached by the CIA.

You want us to assassinate the leader of North Korea?

Yes.

What?

If we kill him, won't they just get another chubby dude with the goofy hairdo to come in and replace him and do the same thing?

Actually, we're aware of a small faction and the existing leadership that already wants him gone.

They want change.

They're too scared to act alone, and they need you two to go in there, remove Kim, embolden them to revolt and take over.

And then when they get to North Korea, what happens is Kim Jong-un is charming and he and James Franco sort of have a bromance.

I'm 31 years old.

The fact that I am running a country is crazy.

What am I to do when 24 million people look to me as their leader, their god?

What am I to do when my father's dying wish was for me to carry his torch.

The bromance comes to an end when Franco's character discovers that he's been lied to.

Spoiler alert, he does kill Kim Jong Un. His death is portrayed in slow motion and its graphic and it is brutal.

And yes, it's an actor playing Kim Jong-un, but the movie does show the killing of a sitting head of state.

And this isn't just any head of state we're talking about.

Jean to say that North Korea's rulers in particular are a bit touchy about their appearance would be a massive understatement, right?

Oh, absolutely.

The image of the Kims is considered sacrosanct.

I mean, they are treated like gods in their country.

They say the Kims are descended from Mt. Pekju, and this is a revered mountain in the very far north.

That's the mountain that the Koreans believe.

This mythical figure, Tangun, is said to have descended as well.

He was half-bearer according to the mythology.

And he said to have founded ancient Korea 5,000 years ago.

And because the Kims are set to have been descended from Mount Bechtu, like Dongun, they say that they're endowed with not superpowers quite, but extraordinary abilities.

They say that the skies crack open when the Kims are born.

You know, when I interviewed children, they told me, Kim Jong-un was a genius from the time of birth and he was so precocious that he was driving a car at age 3.

Kim Jong Il, the first time he played golf, hit a hole in one.

So just these extraordinary capabilities that set them apart from average ordinary everyday North Koreans.

I heard that if you have a newspaper with one of the Kim's pictures on it, you're not allowed to throw it in the dustbin in North Korea.

You have to hand it to an official who can then dispose of that.

That was one of the first things I was told by the North Koreans.

on my first trip to North Korea is that if you get a newspaper or magazine, don't crumple it up.

Like, we might crumple up a newspaper and throw it in the bin.

And they were like absolutely do not do that.

Just gently lay it on top of the the bin because crumpling up or desecrating the image of the leader in any way would be considered or could be considered an anti-state crime.

And so I can probably guess the answer to this, but I want to talk about what was the North which he make of a film showing the assassination of Kim Jong-un.

Oh, absolutely inconceivable.

I mean, they don't even allow any actors apart from one very early movie to portray the leaders, to portray the kids.

They just don't think anyone's worthy of portraying them.

So, to depict Kim Jong-un's assassination, we'd be considered a crime of the highest magnitude, and that would, I would guess, be punishable by death, and not just a quiet death, but very likely a public execution in which the accused would be obliterated by anti-aircraft artillery.

Wow, so perhaps understandably before they release this film, the interview Sony begins to ask for advice about it.

Sony goes to a defense expert at the Rand Research Institute for advice, and then Sony decides to go ahead with the assassination scene, but they tone it down to make it less grisly.

And by the end of the summer of 2014...

Posters were going up, and billboards were going up all over town.

And the trailer leaves no doubt as to the plot of Dan Sterling's script.

I want to go kill Kim Jong-un.

Totally, I don't know if he says he keeps on going to the date.

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Now, back to Jeff and Jean.

Thousands of miles away from Hollywood, news of the movie was filtering through to the North Korean capital, where Jean you were there, you were a journalist and an American, just like one of the main characters of the movie, what did you make of it?

Well, it might have seemed like a lark from where they were sitting in Los Angeles, but there was nothing funny about the premise of the movie for me sitting in Pyongyang.

I was working as a foreign correspondent in North Korea in 2013 when I first heard that that Seth Rogen was making this comedy about journalists doubling a CIA agents in North Korea.

My first reaction was great.

Just what I need, another movie that reinforces the impression that American journalists are working for the CIA.

Trust me, when you're in Pyongyang, you don't take suspicions of espionage lightly because it's always a risk for any of us working in North Korea.

Right, so it can't have been easy to set up a bureau in Pyongyang.

It wasn't easy.

It took years of strategic negotiations.

I mean, I had to convince them to let a journalist from the enemy US set up shop in Pyongyang.

But, you know, I don't look like the caricatures they grew up with.

These tall, spindly soldiers with straw-colored hair, and so just to tell you what I look like, I'm a second generation Korean American.

I was born and raised in the Midwest, so I look familiar to them, but I am definitely distinctly different, and as one of the North Korean negotiators said, I'm definitely not a spy for South Korea because my Korean is just not good enough.

I laughed at his joke, it was nervous laughter, because there's always a change of a threat in their jokes.

So I was very aware every single second of every single day that I was in North Korea that I could be accused of espionage.

And you know, it's not just my own paranoia.

That's exactly what happened to a pair of American journalists in 2009.

We fear that at any moment we could be sent to a hard labor camp.

That's Laura Ling.

She and Unilece spent months in captivity and eventually were sentenced to 12 years of hard labor, but in the end, help came from high up.

We were taken to a location, and when we walked through the doors, we saw standing before us, President Bill Clinton.

It's been years, but hearing that audio, who gives me the chills, I still feel Laura's terror in my bones.

The North Koreans used these two journalists as bait to get a former American president, Bill Clinton, to meet with their leader.

You know, my job as a journalist was try to get on the ground in North Korea, but I knew I was all at risk of becoming the next American in North Korean custody.

If they had a pretext or a need to take an American hostage, which a movie like the interview could have been.

So I was not happy when I heard about this Seth It's so dangerous to underestimate North Korea and its capacity for retaliation, and the North Koreans will use any slight or threat as a pretext for provocation.

Sure enough, in June 2014, the North Korean ambassador to the United Nations sends a letter to the UN and it pulls no punches whatsoever.

To allow the production and distribution of such a film, on the assassination of an incumbent head of a sovereign state, should be regarded as the most undisguised sponsoring of terrorism, as well as an act of war.

The United States authorities should take immediate and appropriate actions to ban the production and distribution of the aforementioned film, Otherwise, it will be fully responsible for encouraging and sponsoring terrorism.

To which the films writer and star Seth Rogen replies in a tweet, people don't usually want to kill me for one of my movies until after they've paid 12 bucks for it.

And on the subject of Twitter and Seth Rogen, he and I actually had a back and forth on Twitter.

We were trying to work out whether there were any other fictional films where a real-world leader gets assassinated or murdered.

And I think we worked out the only other ones were the hot shots, Franchise, Stoyne Charlie Sheen, where Saddam Hussein gets killed in both films.

But it has to be said, the interview is one of a very, very small number of films where a sitting real world leader gets killed in a fictional film.

It's hilarious that you have this exchange with Seth Rogen himself, but I wish he had done that homework before making this movie because I can't help but wish they had done with what movies do for every other country, create a fake country that looks and sounds a lot like a country like North Korea, with a leader who looks and sounds a lot like Kim Jong-un.

Instead, what they've done is provide the North Koreans with an opportunity for retaliation.

Meanwhile, back in Los Angeles.

It was a couple days before Thanksgiving of 2014.

I just remember thinking, wow, this is terrible, this has never happened before.

This must be terrifying for the employees and the employees I talked to, it was terrifying.

This is Tatiana Seagull, she's executive film editor at the Hollywood Reporter and that's a publication that covers the latest twists and turns in the film and TV industry.

Tatiana has covered all the big stories and she's interviewed many of the stars, but this was something else.

As the story broke, she was away from the office for the holidays.

Her vacation, though, was quickly put on hold.

She remembers her desk piling up with newspaper clippings about the hack as she tried to pull it all together.

It's one of those stories that I will never forget covering.

It was really intense and it was really surreal.

Sony's a high-tech media company and the Fallout from a hack is severe.

It even hits their local coffee shop.

There was chaos.

The phones didn't work.

There was even a coffee bean on the lot.

They still couldn't take credit cards six weeks after the hack.

It doesn't stop there.

As they said they would, the hackers started of leaking the sensitive information that they had stolen from Sony.

And they're not just dumping the data online.

Remarkably, they set about emailing reporters directly and urging them to write stories about the leaks, including people like Tatiana.

The first time they contacted me and said that they had this information that I might find interesting you had to click on a link to get the hacked information.

So I forwarded it to my IT department and just said, I'm not clicking on this link without you telling me, it's safe first.

I'm assuming there is a safe way to do it because they did, and when she eventually downloads the information.

It was kind of a holy cow moment.

This is what they've stolen, followed by like eight more days of that where it got more and more dramatic what was being revealed.

Internal emails reportedly hacked and leaked, claimed to show a top producer criticizing Angelina Jolie's talent and ego's bad-mouthing a-list actors, like Tom Cruise, who they say can be difficult and demanding, exposing everything from celebrity aliases to employee social security numbers.

He's bashing Adam Sandler's movies, and James Bond is now among the victims of the massive This actor hackers already leaked copies of films like Annie and Brad Pitt's Fury.

Meanwhile, the studio's co-chairman and a powerful Hollywood producer are apologizing for their stolen emails.

The two used racial jokes to mock Fresno Bama.

So it was emails, but it was also huge data dumps of studio information.

How much they were paying actors and actresses.

How much they were paying their executives.

things that were just very damaging to have out there in the ether.

There was this sense that North Korea, then, if they were behind the emails that were being sent to you and other journalists, you've ended up inadvertently covering stuff that North Korea wanted you to cover.

What do you sort of make of that argument?

Yeah, it's a very weird position to be in when you're covering hackers that you're doing the bidding of a criminal enterprise.

You're corresponding with somebody who is doing something hugely destructive in the industry you work.

It's uncomfortable.

However she felt about it, Tatiana's publication did go through the hack data and did run stories on the dirt leaking out of Sony, and a lot of other outlets did too.

Yeah, I felt so bad for all these very famous and powerful people are impacted by that.

The executives that had supported this all the way through at Sony were under huge fire and it started to become a pretty heavy burden.

That's Dan Stirling.

We met him earlier.

He's the screenwriter of the film, the interview.

And so, you know, at a certain point, I think the feeling of guilt and responsibility started to overtake the feeling of excitement and sort of wonder at having your first movie be so talked about.

By this stage, the hacking is being covered by the global media.

Journalists covering this story begin linking the hack to the release of the interview with its controversial depiction of Kim Jong-un's death.

But despite the embarrassing leaks, despite the terrible damage to its IT systems, Sony's defiant, they decide to push on with the movie, and so they go ahead with the premiere.

But by now the concerns about security aren't just digital, they're physical as well.

Thursday night's premiere of the interview was heavy on security and light on star power.

actor Seth Rogan slipped by almost undetected.

So as screenwriter Dan Sterling recalls, it wasn't exactly a buzzing glamorous show this evening.

The premiere was a rather depressing event.

You know, some of my friends texted me on the way over the premiere saying that their publicists had told them not to come to the premiere because it was likely to get blown up.

You know, one of these high-level executives from Sony when I saw that person at the premiere in their seat, They were weeping, which is a bummer.

The security worries are now so high that some of the film's stars got given bodyguards for their houses, for themselves, their spouses.

Dan hadn't, and he started to get a bit worried.

I called my lawyer and he hooked me up with this Israeli security agent.

And I'm not going to imitate an Israeli accent, but he said basically, don't worry, you're the writer, nobody cares about the writer, you're not important, and you don't matter, you're fine, you don't need any security.

And I said, well, what about just cyber security, in case they kind of want to attack my back account as I said, trust me, no one cares about you.

But meanwhile, test audiences were liking the interview and in spite of everything, some began to wonder if Sony might have a hit on its hands.

We had reports of testing results and the scores were higher than 22 jump street, which was a $200 million domestic box office performer.

This has been Wisebren.

He is one of the executive producers of the interview.

His job was to help organize the financing for the movie.

So that's good.

This is going to be a hit.

Yeah, I think it was going to be.

But just five days after the premiere, all dreams of box office success come to a crashing halt.

The Sony Hack has published a chilling new message on the internet.

Warning.

Soon, all the world will see what an awful movie Sony Pictures Entertainment has made.

The world will be full of fear.

The message goes on to threaten direct violence toward movie theaters showing the film, the interview, and makes reference to terrorist attacks.

So what started out as a cybercrime is now tipping into threats of real world violence.

That's next time on The Lazarus Heist.

The Lazarus Heist is an original podcast from the BBC World Service.

I'm Jean Lee.

And I'm Jeff White and we really hope you've enjoyed this first episode of The Lazarus Heist.

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And this time we want to give a special thanks to our two brilliant music composers.

Magnus Finds and also Lee Il Woo from the South Korean band, Jambanai.

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